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The properties of space have been postulated by many, from ancient Vedic philosophy, Eastern Mystics, various ancient civilizations throughout human history all the way to Descartes, Einstein, Newton and more.

Again, if you observed the composition of an atom with a microscope, you would see a small, invisible tornado like vortex, with a number of infinitely small energy vortices called quarks and photons. These are what make up the structure of the atom. As you focused in closer and closer on the structure of the atom, you would see nothing, you would observe a physical void. The atom has no physical structure, we have no physical structure, physical things really don’t have any physical structure. Atoms are made out of invisible energy, not tangible matter.

“And they allowed Apollonius to ask questions; and he asked them of what they thought the cosmos was composed; but they replied; “Of elements.” “Are there then four?” he asked. “Not four,” said Larchas, “but five.” “And how can there be a fifth,” said Apollonius, “alongside of water and air and earth and fire?” “There is the ether,”replied the other, “which we must regard as the stuff of which gods are made; for just as all mortal creatures inhale the wire, so do immortal and divine natures inhale the ether.” “Am I,” said Appollonius, “to regard the universe as a living creature?” “Yes,” said the other.”
~ The Life of Apollonius of Tyana, Philostratus, 220AD

“Get over it, and accept the inarguable conclusion. The universe is immaterial-mental and spiritual.”
R.C. Henry, Professor of physics and Astronomy at Johns Hopkins University

Tesla and Ancient Vedic Philosophy and the Properties of Space
The Vedas are a group of writings that consist of hymns, prayers, myths, historical accounting, science and the nature of reality. They date back at least 5000 years, and are not so different from other ancient texts that dive into the same matters from all across the globe. The language used is Sanskrit and its origins are unknown.

We’ve seen a very interesting trend (especially within the past decade) of modern-day science catching up to an ancient understanding about the true nature of reality, its make-up, how it functions and how we can work with it to bring about change on our planet. For anybody to label merging of spirituality and science as pseudoscience means they have not properly investigated it. Spiritual concepts of our ancient world are directly intertwined with modern-day science, more so quantum physics, and Nikola Tesla was well aware of this.

Tesla understood the great power of Zero Point Field, Akasha or Ether: the power of space between the electrons and the nucleus. Vivekanda’s effect on Tesla was so great that he became vegetarian, became celibate and started using Sanskrit words. He died with his scalar energy science in his head, because he did NOT want the US military to use it to destroy the planet. No wonder he was denied the Nobel prize and eventually killed. Knowledge is power, and there are many people that want all the power for themselves. Tesla wanted to give power to everyone for free! He was actually the first person to figure out how to make radio communication possible across the Atlantic ocean. But because he wanted to make this ability free for others his funding was stopped and the credit was later given to someone else that played the power game better than him

“All perceptible matter comes from a primary substance, or tenuity beyond conception, filling all space, the akasha or luminiferous ether, which is acted upon by the life giving Prana or creative force, calling into existence, in never-ending cycles all things and phenomena.”
~ Nikola Tesla, Man’s Greatest Achievement, 1907 (1)(2)

Tesla was aware of ancient concepts as I have mentioned and the correlation it had with the science he was working on – using sanskrit worlds like “akasha,” and “prana” to describe the force and matter that exists all around us. These words come from the Upanishads (a collection of Vedic texts).

“The aakaash is not destructible, it is the primordial absolute substratum that creates cosmic matter and hence the properties of aakaash are not found in the material properties that are in a sense relative. The aakaash is the eternally existent, superfluid reality, for which creation and destruction are inapplicable.”
~ Paramahamsa Tewari, Engineer, Physicist and Inventor

Nikola Tesla had correlations with Swami Vivekananda (1863-1902), who was one of the most famous and influential spiritual leaders of the philosophies of Vedanta (one of the six schools of Hindu philosophy, the term originally referred to the upanishads, a collection of philosophical texts in Hinduism) and Yoga. He was the chief disciple of Ramakrishna Paramahamsa and the founder of Ramakrishna Math and Ramakrishna Mission. He is a giant figure in the history of the hindu reform movements.

Rigveda_formulaVivekananda wrote a later to Tesla in the late 1800′s stating:
“Mr. Tesla thinks he can demonstrate mathematically that force and matter are reducible to potential energy. I am to go and see him next week to get this new mathematical demonstration. In that case the Vedantic cosmology will be placed on the surest of foundations. I am working a good deal now upon the cosmology and eschatology of the Vedanta. I clearly see their perfect union with modern science, and the elucidation of the one will be followed by that of the other.” 
~ Swami Vivekananda (Complete Works, VOL. V, Fifth Edition, 1347, p. 77) (1)

Tesla began using the Sanskrit words after meeting with Swami, and after studying the Eastern view of the true nature of reality, about the mechanisms that drive the material world. Eventually, it led him to the basis for the wireless transmission of electrical power, what is known as the Tesla Coil Transformer. During this year he made the following comments during a speech before the American Institute of Electrical Engineers (given before he familiarized himself with the the Vedic sincere of the easter nations of India, Tibet, and Nepal):

“Ere many generations pass, our machinery will be driven by a power obtainable at any point in the universe. This idea is not novel…We find it in the delightful myth of Antheus, who derives power from the earth; we find it among subtle speculations of one of your splendid mathematicians….Throughout space there is energy. Is this energy static, or kinetic? If static our hopes are in vain; if kinetic – and this we know it is, for certain – then it is a mere question of time when men will succeed in attaching their machinery to the very wheel work of nature.”
Nikola Tesla

“Swami Vivekananda was hopeful that Tesla would be able to show that what we call matter is simply potential energy because that would reconcile the teachings of the Vedas with modern science. The Swami realized that in that case, the Vedantic cosmology (would) be placed on the surest of foundations. Tesla understood the Sanskrit terminology and philosophy and found that it was a good means to describe the physical mechanisms of the universe as seen through his eyes. It would behoove those who would attempt to understand the science behind the inventions of Nikola Tesla to study Sanskrit and Vedic philosophy.”
~Toby Grotz, President, Wireless Engineering

Apparently, Tesla was unable to show the identity of energy and matter, this did not come until Albert Einstein published his paper on relativity, which was known in the East for the last 5000 years.

“All the powers in the universe are already ours. It is we who have put our hands before our eyes and cry that it is dark.”
~ Swami Vivekananda

Tesla’s vision of the wireless transmission of electricity and free energy has been postponed for almost one hundred years now.

Bohr, Heisenberg and Schrödinger regulary read Vedic texts
Heisenberg stated: “Quantum theory will not look ridiculous to people who have read Vedanta. Vedanta is the conclusion of Vedic thought.”

Furthermore, Fritjof Capra, who was interviewed by Renee Weber in the book The Holographic Paradigm (page 217-218), has stated that Schrödinger, in speaking about Heisenberg, has said:

“I had several discussions with Heisenberg. I lived in England then [circa 1972], and I visited him several times in Munich and showed him the whole manuscript chapter by chapter. He was very interested and very open, and he told me something that I think is not known publicly because he never published it. He said that he was well aware of these parallels. While he was working on quantum theory he went to India to lecture and was a guest of Tagore. He talked a lot with Tagore about Indian philosophy. Heisenberg told me that these talks had helped him a lot with his work in physics, because they showed him that all these new ideas in quantum physics were in fact not all that crazy. He realized there was, in fact, a whole culture that subscribed to very similar ideas. Heisenberg said that this was a great help for him.”

Niels Bohr, image from Wikipedia

Niels Bohr, image from Wikipedia

The famous Danish physicist and Nobel Prize winner, Laureate Niels Bohr (1885-1962) (pictured right), was a follower of the Vedas. He said, “I go into the Upanishads to ask questions.” Both Bohr and Schrödinger, the founders of quantum physics, were avid readers of the Vedic texts and observed that their experiments in quantum physics were consistent with what they had read in the Vedas.

Niels Bohr got the ball rolling around 1900 by explaining why atoms emit and absorb electromagnetic radiation only at certain frequencies.

Then, in the 1920′s Erwin Schrödinger (1887-1961), an Austrian-Irish physicist (pictured below), who won the Nobel prize, came up with his famous wave equation that predicts how the Quantum Mechanical wave function changes with time. Wave functions are used in Quantum Mechanics to determine how particles move and interact with time.

Erwin Schrödinger, image from Wikipedia

Erwin Schrödinger, image from Wikipedia

Schrödinger wrote in his book Meine Weltansicht:

“This life of yours which you are living is not merely a piece of this entire existence, but in a certain sense the whole; only this whole is not so constituted that it can be surveyed in one single glance. This, as we know, is what the Brahmins [wise men or priests in the Vedic tradition] express in that sacred, mystic formula which is yet really so simple and so clear; tat tvam asi, this is you. Or, again, in such words as “I am in the east and the west, I am above and below, I am this entire world.”

This is a reference to the Mundaka Upanishad mantra (above) in which the Vedic understanding of the connectivity of living entities is put forward to help the Bhakta (practitioner of yoga) to understand the difference between the body and the living entity. How the real nature of the living entity is realized only in union with the source, the supreme being (Brahman/Krishna) through a platform of transcendental divine loving service.

Schrödinger, in speaking of a universe in which particles are represented by wave functions, said: “The unity and continuity of Vedanta are reflected in the unity and continuity of wave mechanics.  This is entirely consistent with the Vedanta concept of All in One.”

Vedanta and gnosticism are beliefs likely to appeal to a mathematical physicist, a brilliant only child, tempted on occasion by intellectual pride. Such factors may help to explain why Schrödinger became a believer in Vedanta, but they do not detract from the importance of his belief as a foundation for his life and work. It would be simplistic to suggest that there is a direct causal link between his religious beliefs and his discoveries in theoretical physics, yet the unity and continuity of Vedanta are reflected in the unity and continuity of wave mechanics.

In 1925, the world view of physics was a model of the universe as a great machine composed of separable interacting material particles, During the next few years, Schrödinger and Heisenberg and their followers created a universe based on superimposed inseparable waves of probability amplitudes. This new view would be entirely consistent with the vedantic concept of the All in One (Schrödinger: Life and Thought (Meine Weltansicht), p. 173).

According to Walter J. Moore on page 125 of his biographical work, A Life of Erwin Schrödinger, Schrödinger found “Vedanta teaches that consciousness is singular, all happenings are played out in one universal consciousness and there is no multiplicity of selves… The stages of human development are to strive for Possession (Artha), Knowledge (Dharma), Ability (Kama), Being (Moksha)… Nirvana is a state of pure blissful knowledge. It has nothing to do with individual. The ego or its separation is an illusion. The goal of man is to preserve his Karma and to develop it further – when man dies his karma lives and creates for itself another carrier.”

Schrödinger did not believe that it is possible to demonstrate the unity of consciousness by logical arguments. One must make an imaginative leap guided by communion with nature and the persuasion of analogies. He understood the nonmaterial eternal nature of the conscious self and how the Atman is intimately connected to the supreme.

In the 1920′s quantum mechanics was created by the three great minds: Heisenberg, Bohr and Schrödinger, who all read from and greatly respected the Vedas. They elaborated upon these ancient books of wisdom in their own language and with modern mathematical formulas in order to try to understand the ideas that are to be found throughout the Vedas, referred to in the ancient Sanskrit as “Brahman,” “Paramatma,” “Akasha” and “Atman.” As Schrödinger said, “some blood transfusion from the East to the West to save Western science from spiritual anemia.” Vedic texts such as the Bahgavad-gita and the Upanishads were collectively considered the most influential books ever written by eminent people like Thoreau, Kant, Schopenhauer, Schrödinger, Werner Heisenberg, Tesla, and Einstein, among others.

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“You must unlearn what you have learned” – Yoda in the movies of Star Wars. David was born 1973 in Norway. He is a deputy head of a Norwegian interest organization in mental health care called White Eagle. His main work is in the community of Bergen as a consultant in the archive of building projects. His main passion is practicing Vedanta teachings. Vedanta is called Science of Consciousness and he stopped chasing and searching for experience and now he is doing self-inquiry (reflections, contemplation, analyzing, logical thinking and systematizing) as a means of knowledge: Self-Knowledge of Vedanta teachings. James Swartz is his teacher and he has 40 years experience with Vedanta teachings. He has been influenced by Swami Chinmayananda and Swami Dayananda Saraswati. They follow and are influenced by a traditional Vedanta lineage. Vedanta means end of knowledge and the source is mainly Upanishads. He is also grateful to Science and Nonduality and Deepak Chopra for the influence of following Vedanta teachings

67 Responses to “Did the Vedic Philosophy Influence the Concept of Free Energy and Quantum Mechanics?”

  1. August 23, 2014 at 9:26 am, Aurora said:

    Wonderful article! Thank you!

  2. August 23, 2014 at 9:29 am, David Storoy said:

    You welcome;)

  3. August 23, 2014 at 7:44 pm, James Benton said:

    Interesting viewpoint. You’ve got a typo in the headline though. Anyway, thanks for the article.

    • October 12, 2014 at 10:10 pm, Karin Lease said:

      I can’t find the typo and I’m always the one that DOES! Is “the” extraneous?

      • December 10, 2014 at 12:45 pm, David Storoy said:

        The typo is fixed:)

  4. August 23, 2014 at 9:41 pm, npshah said:


  5. August 24, 2014 at 1:39 am, pasug said:

    Fantastic article….what is called string theory we hindus call it as nadha brahmmam….shiva is called as nadha Brahman….dance of Shiva creates all that is…..shiva does cosmic dance….from Shivas dumru time started….Shivas dumru udukkai itself looks like hour glass….Shiva started time….nadha brahmmam is ohm sound… became amen and aameen in christian and Islam… is pranava mantram….first om was there from om all universe created….it is ironical that om primordial sound….sound of universe found place in electricity as ohm…..ohm is unit measurement of resistance of a conductor…..aanmeeka vadhi believers faithful people are full copper conductors….non believers…..nasthik people are full non conductors….resistors…..with faith belief India is free from much tsunamis…..quakes….volcanoes….Indian climate is also good because of Indian people follow dharma….

  6. August 24, 2014 at 7:05 am, sudha sathaye said:

    very interesting article thanks a lot! sudha sathaye

  7. August 25, 2014 at 4:32 am, Awanish said:

    Good to see the barriers vanishing and old ideas being accepted without any inhibitions! Lets call all the vedantic knowledge ‘universal’ as it was not created for a certains sect or creed of people.

  8. August 25, 2014 at 4:15 pm, Ashutosh Pandey said:

    first of all great article. Most of the people know that there are 5 elements as mentioned above, all humans and animals are all made up of these 5 elements i.e, earth,water,fire,air,ether. But we humans are special than animals so we have two more elements i.e, GURU element and the PARAM(supreme) element. the science of the west is advancing but it will take them a long time to know what the Siddhas(enlightened spiritual masters,gurus) knew way back. West talked about junk DNA with so much confidence until recently when they are realizing that it may not be junk afterall,but not only our Siddha masters knew of this but they have access to all these DNAs. West will realize soon that the ideas behind science has spiritual base. Then the question arise how to use this science for our use in day today life and for that they will look towards India once again and India will not disappoint. But west must look towards inside this time than looking outside for knowledge,they must learn to meditate. They must learn to meditate on themselves, to unfold themselves. For they cannot get the wisdom of Upanishad just by reading it, because the book and reader are two different things in the readers head,the yog or the union will not happen. Thats why my Siddha guru Avdhoot Baba Shivananda always saw you be the book and you be the reader only then the yog will happen, means you meditate and when you’ll reach your higher bodies by burning your karmas then the wisdom of Upanishad and Vedas and Puranas will unfold which are already present in your higher bodies.

    • September 03, 2014 at 6:42 am, Jon Costerj said:

      Just as Jung spoke of collective consciousness when we dream the symbolic information has the same meanings to many different races. We are all humans and all of us are mixtures of many different cultures and races all sharing human DNA, but can transcendental mental states awaken dormant DNA. How do we test scientifically for this? Is it more to do with shared ancestry and so similar beliefs and stories are passed on verbally by relatives, ancestors and we process them through are mental processes and recreate are own mental versions in are waking lives, or as a great writer once said is everything that we feel and seem just a dream within a dream?

  9. August 25, 2014 at 5:04 pm, Ashutosh Pandey said:

    the wisdom of Vedas and Upanishads can never be known completely because its in the coded language which can never be understood unless you have a self-realized guru who initiates you into siddh-kundalini yog meditation. With siddh-kundalini yog when you go on practicing it burning those karmas which are between you and your wisdom you’ll realize everything is so simple with your ever increasing non-dualistic eye. If you take all the atoms in the human
    body and add up you know how much percent of atoms you’ll get, only
    0.001 % the rest 99.9% is empty space.But science may take a long time to figure out that the empty space is not exactly empty on the otherhand its overcrowded with karmas which Shivyog’s siddh-kundalini yog explains beforehand. Swami Vivekanand, Paramhans Yoganand ,my guru Avdhoot Baba Shivanand they all practiced this yog which burns karma, and takes one to enlightenment. Ones consciousness becomes one with the divine, one actually becomes divine and the wisdom of god flows freely. Vedas are called “God’s Word” and it can never be understood with limited consciousness. Different branches of science are finding their answers in other branches and one must understand that its all created by different human brains but one must also understand that the consciousness is one, non dual,’advait’. Everything is connected to everything as Mandukya Upanishad says.The question is when will one experience it. I invite west to practice this meditation with my guru to realize what swami Vivekanand realized long back, here is the link, do chk out,

    • August 26, 2014 at 8:26 am, Jon Costerj said:

      Photons move between the spaces in atoms they are elements of electromagnetic energy light.

      • August 28, 2014 at 12:34 pm, Ashutosh Pandey said:

        Mr jon you may be right scientifically but what i’m trying to tell are my guru’s experiences. when he started meditating earlier and evolved spiritually he saw his etheric body, the prana body made up of light particles. as he evolved he saw his astral body made of light particles but more subtle. evolving further he reached to see his causal body which was overcrowded with karmic impressions of much more subtle energies. now what u say and what my guru tells all are true. But for me i have to personally experience all these subtle energies to realize my personal goal through my spiritual practices, thats why i wrote all that. personal experience is must no matter what science tells.

        • August 29, 2014 at 11:06 am, Jon Costerj said:

          Mr Ashutosh are astral bodies composed of Quantum particles your phsyical body has electrons orbiting around each atom the particle of opposite charge is the positron are astral bodys composed of opposite particles to particles that compose the physical world. Can are state of mind influence the Quantum composition of the astral world? mind over matter, placebo effect in medicine, faith healing ect.

          • August 30, 2014 at 3:53 pm, Ashutosh Pandey said:

            Mr jon, i don’t know yet what exactly the astral body is composed of in scientific need to understand one thing that every human has 5 bodies,1.physical,2.etheric,3.astral,4.causal and 5.supercausal bodies respectively.the higher u move more subtle and stronger it is, like causal body is much more subtle than astral or any other body before it and its much more stronger than previous bodies and so it influences them or rather control them. a human has nerves but subtler than nerves are energy meridiens which constitutes etheric body, thr r 72,00,000 energy meridiens in a human body and in it flows PRANA,(do not confuse it with prana one of the kind of PRANA that one intake from the cosmos). subtle than tht is astral body or mind body. as i have read but not experienced yet (long way to go), astral body is made of light like my guru tells or Yogananda Paramhansa’s guru Shri Yukteshwar Giri ji explains him in Autobiography of a yogi(must read) what astral world is made of in detail to him. one cannot see beyond physical world with normal sight, but turn ur senses inward with meditation and u could see anyones etheric body or others even with open eyes. one has to leave his logic mind,rational ideas aside when one starts meditation. when one gets gurus blessing impossible things will also look normal in this path. the physical laws of 3rd dimension can be easily defied. Our mind not only influence the subtle but the very physical thing u see around. ur every thought creates a vibration which creates energy which in turn creates the very physical world of matter around. thts why u hear all around u tht think positive think positive, because what u think the same energy u’ll attract around u which will affect ur further actions, so change the thought at the stage of thought before it becomes ur action. thats wat yogis do in meditation,they r working at thought level, burning every thought emptying thr minds ,once u control it u own the mind then u can even move big rock n stuff literally with ur mind power. placebo effect is certainly a thing we practice, but the healing happens with the grace of guru. Advait and Dvait, Non-dual and dual,what we practice in Shivyog meditations is Non-dual spiritual pratices. in our practices healing happens when guru initiates the disciple, guru gives the shakti (energy) to disciple, and the disciple meditates along with the divine mantra, and as the disciple moves ahead in his practices the healing energy which is already thr within each of us starts growing. but one must understand in our practices what we remember that it can never be u who heals ,its aways your guru that does tht healing, its the guru-disciple relationship which existed in Indian culture from vedic times which we cherish,which we follow in our practices, its the respect,the love which is even bigger than the one for our parents. thts whr the true guru resides in our lives,chk this,

          • September 01, 2014 at 7:19 am, Jon Costerj said:

            Very interesting I have read a lot of these ideas in western books on magic. Are some Gurus evil and corrupt like western magicians? I used to meditate, but gave it up because of some of the visions I saw. Been sucked inside giant black eyes ect.

          • September 01, 2014 at 4:27 pm, Ashutosh Pandey said:

            in shivyog we do a very sacred meditation practice, called Shree Vidya sadhna, it is very secret. you may find someone who can guide you about dvait,dual form of shree vidya sadhna if you search hard but to get much more powerful form of it is advait,non-dual form, and you won’t find a guru for it, it is said that when u collect the pure karmas of 9000 yrs then u r eligible for this meditation practice. it is the one tht im very glad to say is what my devine guru blesses us with on the instruction of his guru and of course the siddh lok(dimensional plane where ascended masters reside) and ofcourse MAA Lalita Tripur Sundari(divine mother). the point is again tht u do not totally search for ur guru but it is he who is coming for u. a guru is never evil, he is not even a person,he is an element,how can an element b an evil, its ones own consciousness,my guru always says,u never see a person the way he is,ull always see him d way u r. i dont know wat kind of meditation u used to practice but its like this,when u perform a sidh kundalini meditation practices as ur kundalini start moving up from mooladhar to swadhishthan to manipur chakra these r lower chakras and if a person tries to unlock these chakras on there own he’ll experiences a very foul smell and some very horrible visions etc. thts y its very important to have a guru and tht too whose kundalini is at his crown chakra. the guru then controls, and guides in a manner tht u dont experience those things at all. a guru is needed not just for initiating, ‘giving shaktipat’ but he is needed at all times, at various stages during ur whole journey. he is d one between u nd god pulling both closer. also once u r initiated in sidh kundalini yog one should practice meditation regularly because now d only way is to move up to unify with god. thts y my guru is at all times moving around all over d world to initiate people into divine meditation practices but it also also depend on the urge,the thirst of a person ,as to how much does tht person wants to return to his divine home. u should not get much confused, if u have a desire to purify urself, to move up spiritually, to get health ,wealth, prosper, help humanity and b at bliss all d time u’ll never gonna find such a holy Siddha so easily whose willing to give everything he got with his many yrs of hard meditation practices, so y worry now,as baba(my guru) says shivyog is like sugar,no matter what ur faith is ,u add Shivyog to it and it will become more sweeter. if u r will and ur want is high go to any of these meditation camps which r in english. mostly in south india and abroad, in north or central or west or east india camps are in hindi

          • September 02, 2014 at 7:36 am, Jon Costerj said:

            Very interesting I have heard of Kundalini I have read this is the force that can be released from the solar plexus by Tantaric sex. These Gurus come to you in meditation they find you and are single elements how do they no they are Gurus? Do they reach this stage through a series of reincarnations? Western stories of Genies they come from another place another plane and can sometimes play tricks or be evil. I was raised as a Christian, but in my teens became interested in the occult interpreted as the search for hidden knowledge. I became interested in the beleifs you talk about. Are all the gods on earth Jesus christ, Vishnua ect just incarnations of the same devine force? If so then is this a way to unite all the peoples of the earth and bring about peace and harmony?

          • September 02, 2014 at 7:51 am, Jon Costerj said:

            Are chakras points within the body where many nerves meet and so control forces and energies? that derive from originally the brain and is the brain capable of interacting with other forms of outer consciousness like a computer receives information from the internet, or a radio receiver or from are conception is all the past thoughts memories and cultural beliefs stored in are cell hard wireing and we just discover them as time goes by read Jung, man and his symbols.

          • January 30, 2015 at 2:33 pm, Ashutosh Pandey said:

            jon first of all kundalini is released from your base chakra’mooladhar’. second west has always been occupied by the thought of tantra and sex together. ok tantric sex is true but west see it as a lustful practice but trust me u wont find a western or for that matter any person in world who really knows what happens in tantric sexi, only true ‘aghoris’ will know and i doubt ull find one easily. its purpose is very sacred for aghoris, u’ll rarely meet a real aghori even in india. its for only ‘aghoris’, see they don’t see this body of flesh like u and me see. their perception of life is totally different .so as they move in their spiritual practices they realise that this physical body is limited and they realize their subtle bodies which every human has. so its their spiritual path, which is for only selected. they worship the same divine mother which everyone else. in reality if u meet a real aghori ull find them very sweet, generous, compassionate and all highly positive qualities which u may not even dream that they can poses. its their way of going beyond their bodily limitations that to realise god. its not at all easy path. if the devotion,faith and unconditional love towards divine mother is not strong enough a fake aghori or such practitioner will even die seeing things a real aghori can practice. aghora’s literal meaning is pure. its a very sacred and pure spiritual practice but for only handful.

            but where an aghori reaches after long practice our shivyog practices starts there. shivyog does not have tht extreme practices but yes it is similarly tough, maybe more than ‘aghor’ practices. its all about burning ur present and past karmas through meditation. once all karmas are burnt you have all the wisdom of the cosmos which is stored in ur causal body, all the wisdom of vedas, upanishads, tantric texts all holy wisdom. tantric texts holds the wisdom of divine mother.

            one must try to find a real guru whose kundalini is located at his highest chakra, in his ‘sahastrarth chakra’ 7th chakra. take wisdom from such guru,coz he has walked d path so he knows it all.

            jesus, vishnu,krishna,buddha every such divine soul were born as a guru to teach humanity that thr is only one god, and to reach him is very simple. the more simpler u get the more nearer to god u get. accept everyone the way they are,forgive evryone and uncondional love to everyone. but if u lie,judge,hate and all negative thoughts will only comlicate u and ur life and ull be at farther distance from god, atman, brahma, shiva, allah in a nut shell the cosmic one.
            if u r interested in reading u read works by swami vivekanand, paramhans yoganand(his autobiography must read),lahiri mahasaya, yukteshwar giri, sri m.
            or my guru avdhoot shivanand but he doesn’t write but u can chek his videos in english on youtube on shivyog channel. BUT ALL SPEAK D SAME.

          • February 27, 2015 at 6:40 am, Anantha Rao. H.K. said:

            To know your body read Bhagavatha Purana

    • August 26, 2014 at 2:15 pm, drrcyashroy said:

      Though Guru-student system brought the ancient Vedic knowledge to modern times. But finding dedicated Gurus is extremely rare in this hyprocratic society. Must see the Bollywood flick – O my God. Thus, due care has be exercised both by gurus and students. Visit .

      • August 28, 2014 at 12:52 pm, Ashutosh Pandey said:

        u r right Dr. saab. my guru says a student must look out for the guru very carefully. who should be the guru…….the one whose kundalin shakti is at his sahastrasar chakra(crown chakra). one who can make you experience what he says.and once you get initiated you must do whatever he asks for he can literally see the things which are coming in your life and more so he will protect you and do whatever to guide you,so you learn a lesson and evolve spiritually till you achive the ultimate goal. more over one always finds guru according to their consciousness level. and its just not the student who looks out for guru but more than that its the guru who searches for the student which may go from one life to many. moreover guru is an element and should never be seen as a physical being, his teachings are more important than anything.

    • November 20, 2014 at 6:18 am, Dave said:

      I agree because Sanskrit is not really translatable to English and was written by enlightened Sages for other enlightened Sages. All the material space of all the Atoms of all the billions of people on this planet would be the size of a small sugar cube. I like what your saying because karmic residue is all that is being born and what we mistake as a material world. This is why the Atman is only the witness and everything is Brahman. Science will never prove Brahman because it’s beyond logic, reason and thought… Namaste… I’ll check out your link

      • January 30, 2015 at 1:24 pm, Ashutosh Pandey said:

        u r right dave in most aspects but sanskrit is not restricted for any particular being, anyone can learn it, ya of course its hard but its for everyone,we used to learn it in school up to certain class but then it became hard and i chose for other subjects but its very interesting in the aspect that all holy indian texts are in sanskrit. our language has become corrupt and diffrent karmic ‘Doshas’ are created every time we speak negative, even when our tongue speaks different than what our mind thinks. but interestingly when one starts chanting ‘mantra’ in sanskrit the kamic garbage starts burning. but its not just any ‘mantra’. Mantra which are awakened by meditation practices of a living guru who has perfected that mantra, when he speaks the awakened mantra to u, u then recieve it. but its just not the mantra in sanskrit, along with the mantra the divine shakti is transfered to u, in u.It is that shakti in originality that burns the karmas. but besides that even if u speak any sanskrit ‘shloka’ then also ur language purifies alot. but the shakti of awakened mantra can only be recieved by a realised guru. it is the same shakti which is locked in vedas and upnishads. it can only be recieved through a guru who knows how to open it or by practicing sidh kundalini yog which we practice in our shivyog meditations. besides that reading them will not reveal much because its locked.

    • December 13, 2015 at 6:27 pm, Jon Pineapple said:

      Thank you, recently I have emerged spiritually, I guess feel this as no mistake with my chart the way it is, my moon is under uttara bhadrapada, you sound like an enlightened mind, I would love to converse with you and exchange ideas. Find me on Facebook Jon Pineapple

  10. August 25, 2014 at 5:09 pm, Ashutosh Pandey said:

    first of all great article. Most of the people know that there are 5 elements as mentioned above, all humans and animals are all made up of these 5 elements i.e, earth,water,fire,air,ether. But we humans are special than animals so we have two more elements i.e, GURU element and the PARAM(supreme) element. the science of the west is advancing but it will take them a long time to know what the Siddhas(enlightened spiritual masters,gurus) knew way back. West talked about junk DNA with so much confidence until recently when they are realizing that it may not be junk afterall,but not only our Siddha masters knew of this but they have access to all these DNAs. West will realize soon that the ideas behind science has spiritual base. Then the question arise how to use this science for our use in day today life and for that they will look towards India once again and India will not disappoint. But west must look towards inside this time than looking outside for knowledge,they must learn to meditate. They must learn to meditate on themselves, to unfold themselves. For they cannot get the wisdom of Upanishad just by reading it, because the book and reader are two different things in the readers head,the yog or the union will not happen. Thats why my Siddha guru Avdhoot Baba Shivananda always says,” you be the book and you be the reader only then the yog will happen”, means you meditate on yourself and when you’ll reach your higher bodies by burning your karmas in between then the wisdom of Upanishad and Vedas and Puranas will unfold which are already present in your higher bodies.

    • February 21, 2016 at 4:55 am, Alberto Martin said:

      Fine, but I find what you write to be rather tendentious and ethno-centric. First, the gurus of old could not know what the DNA is – spiritual science is one thing, empirical science another. Second, the way of yoga is not the only one even within the Indian tradition of the Vedas and Upanishads (the ‘end’ of the Vedas). The great Shankara – foremost world philosopher – had a different view of things, which had nothing to do with kundalini and other practices, centering his teaching on real understanding – not just mental but based on universal intuition. In this sense, even just doing shravana (‘hearing’) – supported by manana (‘reflecting’), and nididhyasana (‘assimilating’) – is sufficient for an advanced student to realize the truth.

  11. August 25, 2014 at 7:10 pm, V.S. Gopalakrishnan said:

    Interesting piece! My Master’s in Physics was in 1960 but Bohr, Schrodinger and Heisenberg were part of our studies. I think that it has become a fashion to link Veda/Vedanta to modern Physics and that is not entirely valid or correct. The famous scientists named earlier were obviously trying to understand Hinduism and Vedic/Vedantic thoughts. But Vedanta is very complex. Only big Gnanis can understand Vedanta. Main Vedas have little philosophy but Vedanta (Upanishads) has it. Thank God, none is linking chemistry, modern biology, and other sciences to Vedanta!

    • August 26, 2014 at 1:30 pm, drrcyashroy said:

      Existence of chemistry is rooted in physics. Sharing of electrons (bonding) and redistribution of electronic charge (electrostatic attraction) link physical atoms to give birth to chemistry.

      • November 13, 2015 at 8:50 am, Aditya Reddy Pakanati said:

        Agree with u drrcyashroy!

    • September 07, 2014 at 10:43 am, John Bray said:

      Check out quantum biology, especially the work by Roger Penrose and Stuart Hammeroff.

  12. August 26, 2014 at 8:15 am, Jon Costerj said:

    Kali is Shivas shed skin from destruction comes creation why do leaves fall from trees in the Autumn?

  13. August 26, 2014 at 12:51 pm, Mit Jones said:

    I think it was Schrödinger who said “a physicist is an atoms way of looking at itself”.

    • August 26, 2014 at 4:45 pm, David Storoy said:

      It was Niels Bohr;)

    • September 03, 2014 at 6:56 am, Jon Costerj said:

      The Quantum particles appear to be affected by the observer because the observer has far more energy than the Quantum particle. Which is why we investigate the particle with a particle.

  14. August 26, 2014 at 2:21 pm, drrcyashroy said:

    This universe is a quantized version of ONE Consciousness. More

  15. September 15, 2014 at 1:03 pm, Vadim said:

    Everything influences everything. This has influenced those that read it–one way or another. Opinions built upon opinions…thus is belief made and shared.

  16. September 27, 2014 at 3:26 pm, Freedom Beyond Mind said:

    The Zero Point field…indeed, that is Brahman!

  17. November 20, 2014 at 6:04 am, Dave said:

    Swami Vivekananda never wrote a letter directly to Mr. Tesla. The letter your referring to was sent to E.T. Sturdy February 13th, 1896. Other than this there is no record of a letter directly to Mr. Tesla or anything about their meeting. You left out most of this important letter?

    “There were besides Madame M. Morrel, the celebrated singer, also the great electrician Tesla. Madame is a very scholarly lady and has studied up the metaphysics a good deal. M. Morrel was being interested, but Mr. Tesla was charmed to hear about the Vedantic Prâna and Âkâsha and the Kalpas, which according to him are the only theories modern science can entertain. Now both Akasha and Prana again are produced from the cosmic Mahat, the Universal Mind, the Brahmâ or Ishvara. Mr. Tesla thinks he can demonstrate mathematically that force and matter are reducible to potential energy. I am to go and see him next week, to get this new mathematical demonstration.

    In that case, the Vedantic cosmology will be placed on the surest of foundations. I am working a good deal now upon the cosmology and eschatology (That is, doctrine of the last things — death, judgement, etc.) of the Vedanta. I clearly see their perfect unison with modern science, and the elucidation of the one will be followed by that of the other. I intend to write a book later on in the form of questions and answers. (This was never done. But from his lectures in London in 1896, it is easy to see that his mind was still working on these ideas.” (See also Vol. VIII Sayings and Utterances & Letter to Mr. Sturdy.

    Seems like your missing the whole point here which is the “Mandukya Upanishad” Shankara said; this lone Upanishad was enough to explain them all. I don’t see these men of science bathing themselves in hundreds of Upanishads about stories of ritual worship. You also fail to mention that Tesla’s greatest achievement AC Power was while reading Johann Wolfgang von Goethe’s Faust. What does Goethe’s science, most people neglect, have to do with anything. A lot. Keep in mind he had one of the highest IQ’s in history. The Germans were the first to use advanced meditative concentration exercises for scientific purposes.

    What you printed here is parts and parts of parts already printed elsewhere. Nice try but I’ve given you some pearls to think about.

    • February 27, 2015 at 6:35 am, Anantha Rao. H.K. said:

      First know about Tesla on you tube

  18. December 10, 2014 at 4:16 pm, Andrew Brodis said:

    Check out this link to an article about right brain/left brain thinking.

    Most people are either right or left-handed, a few are ambidextrous.

    I believe most people are either right or left-brained, a few are ambi-brained.

    Science/Religion, Duality/Non-Duality for most people, are “either-or’s”.

    The genius of discovery comes from “seeing the BIG PICTURE”. (ambi-brained thinking)


    To truly legitimatize the ideas of Non-Duality, they must be compatible with BOTH sides of the brain.

  19. February 27, 2015 at 6:30 am, Anantha Rao. H.K. said:

    Great will any body think of it to know who God is!

  20. June 11, 2015 at 7:24 pm, usery said:

    When was this article actually posted on Date in article header is June 10, 2015 but the comment thread shows dates of 8 months ago or more. Or is Disqus’ date stamping fubar’d?

    • June 11, 2015 at 7:44 pm, David said:

      The article was originally posted here last year. Occasionally, we republish the most popular articles so more see them. The technology just shows the latest date but comment dates show when it was first posted.

  21. June 13, 2015 at 10:22 pm, John Sharman said:

    An interesting article, David. More than the content of the article though, I’m interested in the kind of responses that it’s generated, and could generate. I note that the article was first posted nearly a year ago, and that almost all of the comments that appear below were written then. Those comments touch on subjects like the Vedas, the Upanishads, gurus and the need for them, differences between Eastern and Western thought, the necessity of meditation… and so on. So what are we left with there, and what differences in comments could be expected from posting the article again? Where might a discussion of this article lead us?

    This site posts many articles that are somewhat tenuously related to the core realisation of non-duality, and the above questions apply equally to all of them. Is there really much point in posting any of these articles and their responses, if they’re just the usual interchange of ideas and opinions that might take place on any topic? Non-duality is something else, something really altogether outside of anything else – not even a “something” at all. We don’t really even start to get at what the implications of non-dual realisation are for all of us, by tossing around a whole lot of science-related ideas, or holding traditionally structured conventions with guest speakers and their audiences.

    How do we really get at what’s implied by the realisation of non-duality? That has to be the central question here. The question of whether Vedic philosophy influenced the concept of free energy and quantum mechanics is of some passing interest, but is ultimately just a distraction when compared with the real questions. What is implied in the realisation that there is really no such thing as “self” and “other”, and how can this realisation be extended universally in a way that all of our understandings and actions are affected positively as a result?

    • June 15, 2015 at 9:15 am, David Storoy said:

      “What is implied in the realisation that there is really no such thing as “self” and “other”, and how can this realisation be extended universally in a way that all of our understandings and actions are affected positively as a result?”

      -Who say that there are no such thing as self?

      • June 16, 2015 at 3:48 am, John Sharman said:

        I was referring not to “self” alone, but to the apparent duality of “self” and “other” – in non-duality it’s seen that this apparent duality is illusory – there is no separate “you” and “me” except as a concepts that the mind creates in order to make sense of what appears. I am not an entity contained within a bag of skin (the “skin-encapsulated ego” – Alan Watts), what I am encompasses all of the manifest universe, since there are really no separations between things – in fact there are no “things”, no discrete bits of concrete matter to be found anywhere, all of the manifest universe is just one totally interconnected dance of energy… so where does the “me” end, and the “you” begin? But it seems inappropriate for me to start going into what’s implied by non-duality, since this is supposed to be a forum which is anchored in this realisation…

    • June 15, 2015 at 9:17 am, David Storoy said:

      “The question of whether Vedic philosophy influenced the concept of free energy and quantum mechanics is of some passing interest, but is ultimately just a distraction when compared with the real questions.”

      -I agree with you,but since this is a homepage of both Science and nonduality then I think this article is very fascinating. Erwin Schrødinger and his friends have inspired me to follow traditional Vedanta and I think Vedanta etc also inspired him and other scientists to see that Quantum Mechanics is not so strange.

      • June 16, 2015 at 10:10 pm, John Sharman said:

        I appreciate this, David, and I can see where you’re coming from. And I must apologise if I’ve hijacked your thread somewhat, by harping on about the concerns I have with this forum in general (see my response to Nemir Adjina). I’m not picking on your subject matter in particular.

    • June 16, 2015 at 4:36 pm, Nemir Adjina said:

      “How do we really get at what’s implied by the realization of non-duality?” Hello John, this is a question I pose myself, so I also think it is important, although this is not a forum about Non duality per se, but science and non duality, so it is a specialized field of inquiry. “Non duality is something else”, how can it be other than whatever already is, is not non duality the true understanding of the everyday experience? Do you think it involves a new kind of experience? I do not, I believe it is only a “new” kind of understanding, as such it brings with it changes in behaviour simply because we view reality differently. Everything exists as part of the non dual, including the self, what is no longer present is the belief in separation, or limited identity. As long as one remembers what one knows and acts from that point, then actions are positive. Best wishes, Nemir

      • June 16, 2015 at 10:05 pm, John Sharman said:

        Hello Nemir… yes, “this is not a forum about non-duality per se, but science and non duality”, and unfortunately, that tends to create a duality between science on the one hand, and non-duality on the other, so that non-duality, which is surely the most fundamental and central aspect of it all, tends to get overridden by the science aspect. The disparity between science and non-duality can perhaps be summed up like this: science focuses on what’s observed, on the objective, while non-duality focuses on That which is observing, on the subjective. Science tends to overlook the fundamental fact that all observable phenomena are intimately connected with the subjectiveness of the observer. Science tries to break things into bits, to view the universe as a myriad of discrete objects, to make a separation between science and spirituality.

        In saying “non-duality is something else”, I meant that the realisation of non-duality is so much outside all other human experience that its implications should be the central focus of any forum which recognises it. I don’t see non-duality as an understanding, or an experience, because experience implies perception, and That which we are underlies all perception – we are the source or ground of perception, or, if you like, the potential for perception. And of course, since perception is only ever subjective, all of science, which is objective in its focus, must be secondary to that.

        • June 18, 2015 at 2:44 pm, Nemir Adjina said:

          Hello John, I hope you don’t mind if we continue this discussion although it has tentative bearings on whether Vedic texts influenced Quantum Mechanics, I hardly know anything about either subject, fascinating though they are. It does bear on what Advaita is and so also the relation that science has to Advaita.
          From my point of view, the experience of Advaita or non duality is nothing other than the everyday experience of the world. Everything is consciousness, what science does is explore consciousness. Object and subject are both part of consciousness. The realization of non duality is thus everyday life with understanding. Is not understanding the only part of human life that is not divided into subject/object, knower and known? Understanding is the knower knowing itself, quite different from experience. I know myself as that, I am that, all is that, and so on. best wishes, Nemir

          • June 18, 2015 at 10:00 pm, John Sharman said:

            Sure, let’s continue discussing things Nemir. The only problem is, your comments leave me very little to discuss. All they do is raise issues! For example, you say “the experience of Advaita or non duality is nothing other than the everyday experience of the world.” Well, firstly, as I said above, I don’t see non-duality as an experience, and I gave the reason for that. Secondly, if non-duality is “nothing other than the everyday experience of the world”, then what is the difference between those who come from a non-dual realisation and those who don’t?

            Then you say “everything is consciousness, what science does is explore consciousness. Object and subject are both part of consciousness.” If that’s the case, then how does science explore the subjective? I see the subjective as beyond the conceptual, beyond data that can be measured. How then would science explore it?

            You also say “is not understanding the only part of human life that is not divided into subject/object, knower and known?” No, I don’t believe so. Understanding requires a subject who understands, together with an object which is understood.

          • June 19, 2015 at 1:24 pm, Nemir Adjina said:

            Hi John, sorry if I am not expressing my self clearly. I will try again to explain myself and either you will convince me otherwise or we shall agree to disagree and each go our separate way.
            When I say understanding, I mean the understanding of non duality as truth, all other understanding being error. This understanding is that there is no such thing as subject and object in reality, they are all imagination, like figments of a dream. So in this scenario, there is no such thing as experience, only the Self being itself as all things. So, as you point out there can be no Non Dual experience, in the usual meaning of the term. yet , all experience is non dual, in the sense that that is what Reality is. To answer your question about science, there is no subjective, just as there is no objective, science is based on the illusion of separation and proceeds from there. Everything is just as it appears, it is only our understanding that needs to change. We are the source or ground of perception, perception itself and the perceived, all is one. Any other view is partial, and as such excludes some aspect of life as being un real, immediately creating a duality. I thank you for listening to me, I hope I do not appear pedantic, but I believe in my view, which I believe is available to anyone who takes the time to really inquire into the nature of perception and knowledge , everyday experience points to non duality. Best wishes, Nemir

          • June 19, 2015 at 9:56 pm, John Sharman said:

            Thanks for taking the time to explain more clearly, Nemir. I now see your position clearly and agree with what you’re saying. So, do you think there’s a bit of an odd division in this whole forum? You say that “science is based on the illusion of separation and proceeds from there”. Yes, and conversely, non-duality is based on the truth of non-separation, and proceeds from there. So how can we really reconcile the two positions? In trying to mix science with non-duality, is SAND actually creating a duality between the two?

          • June 20, 2015 at 5:22 pm, Nemir Adjina said:

            Dear John, I don’t think there is anything odd, science is looking for the truth, and it is pointing to the non dual view. If this then creates a new paradigm or revolution in science then that is good, like going from flat earth to round earth. I don’t think non duality is a position as such, but an unassailable truth, the only truth that one can arrive at. SAND is exploring how non duality expresses itself within the field know as science. It is not surprising if the ancients influenced the thinking of quantum physicists, as the ancients perceived the on fact that all truth seeking will eventually arrive at. best wishes, Nemir

          • June 21, 2015 at 10:40 pm, John Sharman said:

            Yes, sure Nemir. Science is only looking for the truth. The only problem is that the real truth is beyond the reach of science, and beyond the reach of the mind. But let’s continue to have fun with science, playing around the edges of That which we are. We have to entertain ourselves somehow… 🙂 best, John.

  22. June 14, 2015 at 6:50 pm, Joy Beyond Mind said:

    Superbly written. Thank you!

  23. June 29, 2015 at 2:15 am, Juliano Guerra said:

    Great article. Thanks!

  24. August 19, 2015 at 5:11 pm, Mahe Mahe said:

    ok Now my Weedssss is to The END** and my Sub Conscious mind is awake … And I wanna design a Circuit Device which can Transmit/Receive Electricity in Digital Manner (0 or 1) so that we can Use WiFi for distribution of AC/DC current… Please help me ! I all ready searched Git hub , youtube , google and bad luck is that I don’t have any Vedic literature 🙁 So you Guys help me out 😀 😀

  25. August 28, 2015 at 4:32 am, Chithrabhanu said:

    Newton was an alchemist! Now we don’t talk about his Alchemy but his calculus and laws of motions. Many scientists would have different philosophical line of thought. But interpreting these spiritual philosophies as scientific truth, is misleading.

  26. January 27, 2016 at 10:39 am, Abhinandan Kumar Azad said:

    Some 200 SÊktas have been devoted to Agni (energy) in ÿgveda. Agni is noted to devour his parents (matter) soon after its birth. This points nothing else but ____________________.
    a. conversion of matter into energy
    b. conservation of energy
    c. conservation of mass
    d. conservation of movement

    Join our quiz for these type of more interesting questions on my page PCBM with title “Energy generation through Vedas”. Show how well you know “Vedas” and “Energy”.

  27. March 05, 2016 at 1:14 am, Sanjay Rao said:

    Brilliant article , and I am impressed by the quality of the debates of the people following this article too . Its so hard to find a smart intelligent debate group in today’s world . Dave give us more of such articles , it only moves everyone towards the direction of TOE (Theory of everything)

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